tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post113864345367546824..comments2023-04-02T20:44:00.134-04:00Comments on My Ford Dreams Classic: Freedom of Choice vs Loyalty to your job.Big Ford Fanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07649352599746912038noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1139076633313201692006-02-04T13:10:00.000-05:002006-02-04T13:10:00.000-05:00my father worked at ford for 25 years, now he's at...my father worked at ford for 25 years, now he's at visteon,and he is still loyal to ford, even though he doesn't get discounts on them, and he manages a nissan program. <BR/><BR/><BR/>gldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138727083819097872006-01-31T12:04:00.000-05:002006-01-31T12:04:00.000-05:00Mil, it is an accetpted fact that domestic brand q...Mil, it is an accetpted fact that domestic brand quality is on par with the Japanese and Europeans. If their cars aren't the most exciting, that's something that will change. But while I can agree with your ideals, my simple answer is this. If you work for Ford/GM/Chrysler, you guy their product as a way of supporting your own job. You also lead by example, if a UAW employee drives a foreign car, their friends and family notice that and may be influenced. And when that UAW employee is out of work, he's contributed to that situation.<BR/><BR/>Chuck, exactly the point. As I said to Mil, you lead by example. And you protect your job.Big Ford Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649352599746912038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138689952559322162006-01-31T01:45:00.000-05:002006-01-31T01:45:00.000-05:00Big Ford fan says: "when I see a Union Member with...Big Ford fan says: "when I see a Union Member with a Toyota/Hyundai/Nissan etc... that has a Proud to be Union bumper sticker, I feel he's being disingenuos and false."<BR/><BR/>Good point. I believe that for Ford to get over its present problems, everyone (at Ford) should do what they can to boost their company. First of that is to believe in their company. You can't do that by driving around in a rival company's car.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138675744677487392006-01-30T21:49:00.000-05:002006-01-30T21:49:00.000-05:00Loyalty doesn't come automatically just because so...Loyalty doesn't come automatically just because someone is paying you. It's nice to think that but both employers and employees in America look out for themselves and sacrifice the other when times are hard or convenient. That is not a reflection on poor American ethics but simple capitalist economics.<BR/><BR/>I see no reason why an employee should have to suffer for buying a product from a competitor. If Ford/GM/Chrystler made the best product and employees truely felt they had their employer's loyalty, this conversation wouldn't even be happening.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious what percentage of Toyota/Honda workers own Toyotas/Hondas and why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138662398202926612006-01-30T18:06:00.000-05:002006-01-30T18:06:00.000-05:00Mike, you're free to disagree, but a UAW worker ea...Mike, you're free to disagree, but a UAW worker earns on average about $57,000 per year. And a Hyndai is not that much cheaper than a comparable Focus/Cobalt, especially after factoring in employee discounts and preferencial financing rates. And if buying a used car, why not something that your company makes? An off lease near new car or even a private sale. Used Honda Civics demand higher prices and have higher milage than comparable domestic models. <BR/><BR/>Your point about punishing people in other ways is well taken. I guess I got a little out of sorts there. But the facts are that I am a Union Employee, and when I see a Union Member with a Toyota/Hyundai/Nissan etc... that has a Proud to be Union bumper sticker, I feel he's being disingenuos and false. <BR/><BR/>The companies do offer a decent incentive/discount, as I have pointed out, they get an employee discount taking the price down to Dealer Cost, then they get preferential finance rates. What more does anyone want? They can buy that car, cheaper than anyone else. <BR/><BR/>If their "Loyal" employees won't buy their cars, maybe those "Loyal" employees need to work toward the solution. It's well documented, that Ford works with the UAW in taking employee sugestions very seriously, in the way of ways to improve quality and safety of work. And if they don't feel motivated to work toward the solution of problems, or support their company, maybe they should move on to greener pastures. I hear that Toyota is building a new plant in Texas, and Hyundai may build one in Michigan.Big Ford Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649352599746912038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138650785627417552006-01-30T14:53:00.000-05:002006-01-30T14:53:00.000-05:00I have to say I disagree. There are many reasons d...I have to say I disagree. There are many reasons driving why people buy cars, and it's not fair to expect that they could always "support the company". As a simple example, imagine someone who can't afford a GM that meets is needs but finds an inexpensive Hyundai, or some used car. <BR/><BR/>Peer pressure is fine, and I don't think exiling people to the parking lot across the lot is out of line, but punishing people in other ways (i.e. that affects their ability to work at the job or their compensation) is out of line, in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>On the flip side, the company should offer a decent enough incentive/discount that most employees can't say no. And they should ask themselves: if even their loyal employees won't buy their cars with large discounts, isn't that a bad sign?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11852104.post-1138643918114886122006-01-30T12:58:00.000-05:002006-01-30T12:58:00.000-05:00There is no "freedom of choice" at your work place...There is no "freedom of choice" at your work place. That is why they can impose a dress code. It doesn't matter that you can't afford a suit or a tie, you want to work there, you wear it. If you don't, go somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com